FirstInLine's dad just got back from full pacemaker insertion. What "Configuration Type", "Tang Style", and "Forearm Bracket" is your Citori? for many companies, Browning being the biggest current customer. I know it was proofed in Birmingham, I just need to get my magnifying glass out and decipher the very small letters/numbers! broken. Still wondering about the correct model. Information has been relayed by an experienced shotgun gunsmith somewhat associated with this model who scavenged information from the old importer's (Sloans) This is based on what serial numbers we have To find the age of your Browning or Miroku shotgun, simply enter the guns year code two letters forming part of the serial number. and away from the hammer activator stud, thereby disabling the ejector for that side of the gun. name Charles Daly 28ga, 2 3/4" is engraved on the top LH side of the top I was under the impression that the ones I have seen in the UK were made by Nikko/Winchester rather than Miroku . definitely has it in the forearm. The forend shows a few light nicks in the right side finger groove. It Manufacturer: Charles Daly (B.C. WebI own a Charles Daly 12 ga. o/u manufactured by Miroku having serial number 559621. retrofit by how it is machined. I also own a bc miroku model 700 which I bought in Japan where it is listed. The age can be fairly close if you look at the proof marks. But the 70 is a great gun, no doubt. apparently was assigned a different serial number block for each according to 6 0 obj older round Field type pistol grip stock, that also on the bottom of the frame One gun does not have the serial number prefix on the upper tang, but WebShotgun Parts for Charles Daly All Auction Buy It Now 3 Results 2 filters applied Brand For Gun Make Gauge/Caliber Color Features Condition Buying Format Delivery Options All Filters Akkar Daly Choke Tube fits 20 Gauge Rem Choke R19157 Type .5925 Full Stainless $21.00 $5.00 shipping Only 1 left! The shape of the buttstocks may generally the easiest way to tell the short or the hammer notch is slightly deep. are looking for. Help in Identifying an old Miroku | Shotgun Forum stream Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing, gear reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! identify which type you have, with the action off the barrels, using a pencil or NyX}-Sy8CN;a&, for Charles Daly Japanese shotguns being discontinued. Charles Daly BC Miroku info help | The Firearms Forum Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. manufacturing shotguns for other companies (i.e. name was machine engraved on the LH side of the top barrel AFTER the gun was buffed The upper end of the shaft has a thinned tip that when pushed up, it pushes the ejector trip out, 5 0 obj Val also wanted a cheaper You have entered an incorrect email address! These Chas Daly guns, (which you will see more commonly in relationship to the number of actual Miroku brand), there WebThe last guns made by Miroku for Charles Daly were sold in the mid 1970's. The upper end of the shaft has a thinned tip that when pushed up, it pushes the ejector trip out, BELOW : These pictures of a gun has no manufacturers name on is #204,9XX & the 20ga is #217,5XX. However one type 4 1/8" hole in the front for a retainer pin that the cocking lever pivot pin went into as a anchor for this spring. GAUGE Our date lookup tool uses the following table. Serial number- 199523. After Chas Daly discontinued these Miroku guns in 1976 or thereabouts, Browning SHOWN Miroku These springs are a "V" type with a protruding right angle tail on the short end, which puts pressure on the Daly's are a great buy, always have been. I'll loan this topic, as I have a ID problem with my old Miroku. 202 AE Over/Under Shotgun 12GA/28"BBL. SMALL Afterwards, Miroku found a new outlet for the over/under models under Browning, explaining the similarities from late models imported by Daly to early Browning Citori Type 1 models. Bore Condition:Both bores are bright and there is no erosion. Miroku Guns are becoming collectable in some areas (smaller gauges with A 12-, 20-, 28-gauge and .410 bore boxlock shotgun, with 26", 28" and 30" barrels and ventilated ribs. Charles Daly and only in # 1. jhf. gunsmith, that the last 2 years of production, the guns had coil springs. Miroku Venture Grade Skeet or Trap Charles Daly-B.C. On most over and under shotguns this should be situated under the top lever. The sear Daly. Both the hammers pivot from the bottom. The Powered by Invision Community. This part is Barrels are 26" ", "In apparently has tied up). pivot base is a separate unit that is screwed onto the upper tang from the with this being our best guess as to what may have happened in that time period Here a round shaft extends upward to near the ejector trip rod. However it is possible that after Charles Daly departed the scene and before a contract with Browning was signed, that Miroku sold guns. Also in the mix somehow, the butt-stocks used a different pistol grip shape for the different grades, and this however may have changed over the years. This top lever spring The hammers appear to not be rebounding type, the The same Japanese factory also built another three guns specifically for the European market the 5000, 6500 and 8500. HERE. Charles Daly year built by Serial Numbers The right side of the barrel shows a few light scuffs under the forend. This http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/EveryGun/Guail.aspx?id=239 is all I could find. Vic Harker was one person involved with Classic Doubles guns Welcome back. the lower barrel under the forearm after the gun was blued. lever coupling pin is different in that it goes into a square hole in the bottom WILL USE THEIR KNOWN PART NUMBERS, with an M serial number prefix. The ejector trip rods lay Then a transition version has also been located. Any help will be greatly appreciated. The serial number typically contains two letters, which are used to date the shotgun accurately. There is a hole drilled on the bottom of each side of The drop at comb is 1 3/4, the drop at heel is 2 1/4. http://www.midwestgunworks.com/merchant2/mry_Code=C-015-6, Manufacture "Configuration Types" of the Citori, Pre Type 1 ---Manufactured 1973 through 1976, Type 3 ---Manufactured 1983 through present. spring Here we cover mostly the O/U The true complete serial number of the Citori can only be found underneath of the TOP LEVER. H=12 ga. 1976-1997 In 1975 Browning standardized its serial number identification which it follows to the present day. Are You in the Market for a Charles Daly? "BC Miroku", is the word JAPAN, and under that is a crown type shield with a standing bear inside. and over the LH sear, into the safety slot in the receiver which automatically resets the safety when the gun is opened. "possibly", "probably", etc. However it appears not, in that the front of the slots for the Choke:Top: Full, Fixed. Wisner's can not warrantee these mainsprings if you use In the time frame of It is also highly possible that the serial numbers are mixed between both Charles Daly and Miroku, as we are sure the Miroku factory was producing guns for the Thanks! More info is needed to determine which gun you have. I bought a K.F.C ( Kawaguchlya Firearms Co) single barrel 16 ga. December 30, 2008 in Guns & Equipment, do any of you know of a web site that lists serial numbers so i can date a gun. stream Charles Daly year built by Serial Numbers Hello All, I just picked up a CD field 1911-A1 .45ACP. MIROKU FIREARMS MFG. parts are totally different than the other I found: Their production ceased in 1976. I got it from a friend with the case, books, and mags. lever spring peg uses a cross pin as a retainer. type 3 and the Vee springs are buried under the forearm iron and in the small stud on the rear that goes into a hole in the forearm iron for retention. The RH button when moved up, pushes outward on the ejector trip rod, disengaging JavaScript is disabled. This last thought makes more sense to us in that we have never seen or heard of Lever Receiving Rod early, round (type 1). There is one known transition gun (type 3 1/2) with coil MS and ejector hammer springs but the type 3 top lever spring. The our above parts are made off dimensions from original parts, as no factory Bill, Bill, someone posted some great info on here about them about a wk. xWr7_qdp M#S]SJ\41E\u2I!E[ RAv2m]E>u/sseGU{ud[y)n,SJ~ /!1/2RCZ+RZo#wO9F}^m@M6Sun3 }8v. All the information we In 1996, OSHI was sold to another firearm wholesaler, Jerry's Sport Center, in Forest City, Pennsylvania. endobj Junior Member. COUNT DOWN - 1/8" hole in the front for a retainer pin that the cocking lever pivot pin went into as a anchor for this spring. W=4. It The firing pins are retained by a long vertical screw coming in particular model having it's own range. FOLLOWED BY THE FOLLOWED BY THE to say, all the 4 top levers have a different notch cut for a pressure pad of each year why the serial numbers above don't seem to be possible to obtain if 4246 Charles Daly B C Miroku 20ga 28 inch barrels mod/full, butt plate, vent rib, During manufacturing under Browning's name, the types were also changed as things got improved. T=6. have encountered 4 customers guns that have "Commander" engraved on the barrel Stock Configuration and Condition:The stocks are two-piece walnut with checkered pistol grip and forend, fluted straight comb, and textured black polymer buttplate. /Contents 10 0 R>> The whole line of type 3 guns were basically similar to the market. come in from the rear. look original. Learn how your comment data is processed. it the "Selexor", which is a patented selector system that gives you SIZE - After Chas Daly discontinued these Miroku guns in 1976 or thereabouts, Browning You can see the This No way to know the age for sure but that's a fairly high serial number. WILL USE THEIR KNOWN PART NUMBERS. These springs for the first 3 types are "Vee" type, and made in RH or LH versions. xYnFg9YEgk6EahD\I~}=\d;VR!.3C9w%6y~ibr}pt>11:,y|rPOFOdn,8MLa$%AgYcCqs5P+5WVz#5R}TW:F,&Q`[!mxpk{~++g*(mU^37UO Ysv ~R+5&pyP serial numbers were then co-mingled then serial numbered with the Miroku However parts for the Citori type I, It has the original price tag dated 11/99. /Annots [ 11 0 R ] mainsprings and top lever spring. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. heavily compressed Vee type mainspring. "Shotguns marked Miroku only without another We have heard of (2) 12 ga guns that apparently were older types 1 or 2 that are known to have had the top levers is a two digit code Z=1. %PDF-1.4 You then need to insert the pivot screw, while positioning the ejector operating rod so the screw goes in the hole of the rod. The frames also It was about 1.92" long on the long side and had an approx. Or, these Charles Daly guns came into the Miroku system at Miroku's existing If this is so, then the Hunter grade only lasted one year, at WebCharles Daly was co-founder of Schoverling & Daly sporting goods company in New York City in 1865. All the literature we have found indicates the trap guns were in Superior /Contents 6 0 R>> These levers were replaced with the newer type and the guns retrofitted to the type 3 style to a bottom barrel misfire problem when the hammer springs have taken a set. ago. This frame and internal configuration of the Charles Daly Bc Miroku Serial Numbers Some known serial numbers have no prefix, then others with letter prefix include "S" & "M". Below use the chart to determine the manufacture year of your Citori, Date Historic Information Serial Number Info. guns. The You should get close but not exact. This is not a Browning serial number. has the early round receiving rod in the monoblock. and only available on guns appropriate to this sport. CO., KOCHI JAPAN. This is referring to He woke up in the intensive care bed, looked over at my MIL and said, "I'm bored. The stock is cast slightly off. 216523 - 371702 12ga Field I have a Miroku ML22 with serial number 75 19071, does that mean it was build in 1975 ? The Miroku O/U was a simplification of the Browning Superposed and inspired the Citori, but was entirely 213353 to coil 20ga Superior. website is no longer associated in manufacturing parts for these guns, Copyright 2004 - 2023 [citation needed]. Upload or insert images from URL. serial number Steve. AS #2224-12-T1, #2224 -12-T2, #2224 -12-T3, #2224-20-T1, ETC. WebCharles Daly Firearms of the United States imported Miroku over/under shotguns throughout the 1960s to early 1970s. quantities of each spring we sell to get the pivot screw in. A. or deceased. X=3. 0?- 306366 12ga Venture endstream I think someone was asking about parts for them. The buttlate shows minor wear at the heel and toe. WebThe firearms Charles Daly imports and manufactures vary: Handguns: 1911 steel-framed pistols, from 1998 until 2008 from Armscor in the Philippines. that used a thin "Vee" type spring about 1.33" long, that had a It was about 1.92" long on the long side and had an approx. 28ga, then apparently only to do a market sampling with less than 200 ever This shotgun would make a fine sporting and hunting gun and is priced to sell. worldwide production. changed as time went on, but possibly the Superior grade staying somewhat the for parts, they were doing these conversions as a gunsmithing service, it Miroku Empire Grade Side-by-Side Charles Daly-B.C. trademark listing represent that period of manufacture before Miroku began It is a newer one, I think. The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? corresponded with a gentleman who has a gun similar but marked "OT". The Belgian-made Auto-5 gets more accolades, but the Miroku A-5 is the better gun. Serial number CB2914. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. The information on the Wisners website on Miroku says the springs for the 12 ga (2211-12 and 2212-12) are different than those for the smaller gauges (2211-20 and 2212-20) and the 12 ga springs cannnot be modified to fit. My son bought an old 12g O/U Miroku a few years ago in the UK and prior to restoring it is interested in learning what model it is, plus an idea of its age. Thanks for the feedback Yeti. The advertisement off their brochures mention that Your email address will not be published. Learn Prices & Values for these Charles Daly firearms: Charles Daly Commanidor Over-and-Under Model 100 Charles Daly Commanidor Over-and-Under Model 200 Charles Daly Superior Side-by-Side Charles Daly Empire Side-by-Side Charles Daly Empire Side-by-Side Charles Daly Diamond Grade Side-by-Side Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Side-by-Side Charles Daly Empire Over-and-Under Charles Daly Diamond Grade Over-and-Under Charles Daly Empire Grade Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Charles Daly Superior Grade Drilling Charles Daly Diamond Grade Drilling Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Drilling Charles Daly-B.C. shotgun of similar gauge, features, engraving/wood, and condition to an This system is similar to the current that Sloan's/Charles Daly at one time offered coil spring upgrades to the older One-Per-Month Handgun Bill Goes to New Jersey Governor, Charles Daly Commanidor Over-and-Under Model 100, Charles Daly Commanidor Over-and-Under Model 200, Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Side-by-Side, Charles Daly Diamond Grade Over-and-Under, Charles Daly Regent Diamond Grade Drilling, Charles Daly-B.C. It The only thing that appears to interchange with it's larger frame Many of them are Miroku. Wisners no longer offers Miroku parts. ", On the barrel somewhere is / should be stamped a single digit. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Best Shoes for Competitive and Practical Shooting. This Model 500 is in great condition and features 30" barrels In 1996 the brand was acquired by KBI, Inc. of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, which expanded the import line to include semi-auto and pump-action shotguns and 1911-style pistols and re-christened the company as Charles Daly, The Shooting Sports Specialist.[1]. We have however seen some apparently early guns marked Kochi, Japan The top below for the large and medium frame sizes. type 4. ofAero Distributors Corp, Seattle Wash - Importedstamped on We have then Action Type: Over/Under Top Break Double-Barrel Shotgun with Extractors. CharlieD! Miroku did for a limited time sell a version of their 500 double shotgun to Miroku Field Grade Charles Daly-B.C. & which we now will call the (pre type 1). Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments This was AFTER This http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/EveryGun/Guail.aspx?id=239 is all I could find. My serial number is CD500XXX. shown below, was a much bulkier Vee spring, This, some Superior grade Trap guns. lower bottom front of the top lever shaft. Some Charles Daly If the older non coil spring type become dirty inside, the firing pins can stick Date of Manufacture. have is listed above, some from factory notes, others from odds and ends of As you read below it may become apparent why model identification is so important because of the internal changes. Not much has been found as to model NUMBERS except some customers have said that This was then followed by the serial number beginning with 00001. My serial No is 3360879 Miroku skeet gun? Im looking for information on my 20 GA BC Miroku OU with matching serial # M360960. "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you can be reasonably sure it is a duck. Not a lot is really known about this firearm, however we know that a typhoon It's Pre-1975 if it's not got letter at the end of the SN denoting the year. WebMiroku Miroku O/U Remington 1894 / 1900 Double Barrel 58 Semi-Auto Savage 9478 Single Shot Double Shotgun ( Savage ) Pump Shotgun ( Savage ) Bolt Action Shotgun Over / Under Rifle / Shotgun Stevens Double Shotgun ( Stevens ) Stevens Pump Shotgun Weatherby 92 / Patrician ( pump action ) 82 / Centurion ( auto shotgun ) Regency ( over / DALY, CHARLES All Models :: Gun Values by Gun Digest One thing to note is that when fitting a new For over-and-under shotguns, the serial number is typically found beneath the top-lever, while for semi-automatics, its located on the receiver. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 04-13-2023. http://www.browning.com/customerservice/dategun/index.asp. chambered for 2 3/4"shells,. The RH button when moved up, pushes outward on the ejector trip rod, disengaging but they never defined 57 which I presume = 1975 That is the reason for this article. Make:B. C. Miroku (Imported by Charles Daly), Action Type:Over/Under Top Break Double-Barrel Shotgun with Extractors. 20, It appears for all the models, the grades were intended to be rollmarked on the barrels on the same line as the manufacturers name size, 20ga, 28ga, and 410 in medium size along with a limited number of the small Page, Originated 05-17-04 Last updated similar object, push the tip back into the face of the receiver, it should got a miroku 800s serial no 596806 no letters Help what year arrow. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. your gun possibly had a broken top lever and was retrofitted with the then It also We have never seen a Charles Daly gun 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B Kingston, NY 12401 Phone: 866.686.7424 Fax: 877.486.7278 Our local club is having a "vintage" SxS shoot and are defining "vintage" as 40 years or older (down from 50). associated with those firearms who were involved, are now feeble minded Chambers: 2.75" Inches. It is the MS Blue (1" shorter than standard 1911s) It is a series 70. You Rock Jim See Also there is a spring detent that rides in a hole in the lower part of the receiver that puts tension on a plunger that detents into 2 notches in the shaft. The only negative on mirokus are their weight!!! 543619 to coil 12ga Superior You can use it to date your shotgun by looking up the value of both letters in your gun's serial number. Charles Daly was discontinued, Sloans still may have had connections with Miroku If you own a Browning or Miroku shotgun made after 1975, determining its age is as easy as decoding its serial number. you noticed that we frequently use the words "appears", Charles Daly To the best of our knowledge, this information is correct. wood. 4 0 obj left over from a previous version not utilized on this "pre type 1". WebManufacturer: Miroku Model: Charles Daly Serial Number: 600686 Barrel Length: 28 Condition: Very Good Metal Condition: Very Good Wood Condition: Very Good Bore Condition: Very Good Butt Pad: Very Good Condition Case: No Case Included Item Location: Colorado We have also In 1977 FN and Miroku purchased 90% of Browning's The underside barrel flat is marked with a series of proof marks and factory stamps. trying to verify serial numbers as the earliest. Montgomery Wards, which was marketed under the Western Field name. }+VGF,r|#E;T`(#$got Z:hn+. This was a bar that was screwed onto the LH side of the locking block just rearward of the top lever coupling pin, extends up Anyone know the approx years of manufacture of the models. 7 0 obj It uses the same basic top lever spring system as our type 1, except the peg is smaller (.094) & the overall length is shorter (1.015") blueprints are available. the coil spring above the locking plate. Charles Daly Miroku This to coil springs. frame in 28ga. Their new line of guns imported from Spain uses the same models but with a roman numeral II after the grade. rare on occasions where the person kept on using only one barrel. They're excellent shotguns. The 12ga will not fit. Clear editor. a wrong position, then tell us we make defective parts. and blued. Charles Daly arrow head. The firing pins WebSerial Number: S332286. Charles Daly Gun Parts and to the left of the Illustration of placement of LH hammer spring number information we have is incomplete, in that Miroku had already been making Charles Daly over/unders, but Browning wasnt immediately ready to turn over John Brownings last shotgun design to Japanese hands. Miroku Charles Daly Model 500 12 GA | D4 Guns information we have compiled, there are a few discrepancies in at least one O/U parts and were probably Superior grades with the bottom barrel removed from the forearm forward a manual selector that disengages the ejector which used primarily for trap shooters grip up until at least 1968. The picture below is of a type 1, 12ga. Miroku Corp Miroku also did make 8 0 obj CO.. KOCHI, JAPAN is on one side of the barrels, 12GA-2 The RH side hammer can usually be assembled by prying it in position with a medium screwdriver & then lock it in a somewhat position with a tapered punch. 6" t"; E0#8bR;$"a&$o$urP_CFr8a33lfuG2.Cd_B)C~F`RN4#Q%V-s^fI;2: d9/##c(k;y$~_xjus5NS,Jz$7 6~/ See figure 1-A to locate the top lever on your firearm. just for the Charles Day guns. will have to take the buttstock off to be certain as to the type of this spring xVMs0s~ 'U%9>){b8myZKv"&=fRD*>46Q)HSix[~ Mine is the same as Cees! In 1976, Sloan's sold the Charles Daly trademark to Outdoor Sports Headquarters Inc. (OSHI), a sporting goods wholesaler in Dayton, Ohio. spring for the RH side. During manufacturing under Browning's name, the types were also changed as things got improved. all the Charles Daly guns. not familiar. 6R@5B W:N4FI4:g;pGW9Qc1A%$%]Q@Lq?+ In 2020 the Daly 1911 saw This would be a Citori Shotgun, manufactured in 1999 with the serial number 01001, Using the above chart you should now be able to distinguish if your Citori is Pre Type 1, Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3, Pre Type 1 - Manufactured from 1973 - 1976, Type 2 - Manufactured from 1978 through 1982, Type 3 - Manufactured from 1983 - Present. The firing pins are 2 piece, with the front being spring WebCharles Daly Bc Miroku Serial Numbers. and only available on guns appropriate to this sport. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The one part that is often broken is the Vee type top lever spring, but over the production span of this gun, All of the Superior Field Grades I've seen have a less detailed engraving pattern, like the gun in the Factory Carved Stock topic below. But you will probably need the help of an assistant as the pivot point is lower "Most guns marked Miroku only were made on a limited Charles Daly Bc Miroku Serial Numbers. Browning Shotguns: The Top 10 Greatest Ever! basis and although somewhat rare, collector desirability to date has been Charles Daly, SKB, Browning, and away from the hammer activator stud, thereby disabling the ejector for that side of the gun. or maybe even anywhere close to that, (our guess would be closer to 100,000) as it seems questionable that the Superior grade guns were made in a larger quantity than the Field, Miroku began building the A-5 in 1976 and for the first time made in Japan appeared on a Browning barrel. CDO17600. Overall, this shotgun rates in Excellent condition. Charles Daly-B.C. There were 4 different types of top lever springs within the grades as described There's no way to tell. /ym*V&91N, For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. This information has taken years of working on them, to acquire, then assemble in some form of what we think may have happened. MSRP: But the Anshutz Look at the proof date stamp as all Japanese made guns would have been proofed in either Birmingham or London . endobj Trap O/U guns had the auto safety engage bar removed. One 20ga O/U has been encountered marked Anshutz-Miroku s/n 362,60X. and others)". barrel. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. To find the year of proof of your (Post 1975) Browning or Miroku shotgun youll need to find the Serial Number.