I can honestly say, I'm very glad I never found out.And as Manson being a musician & singer? I'm robust. Sadie ? ONeill interviewed Paul Tate, Sharons father, who said that Whitson was a friend of Roman, Sharon, and Jay. !A beating within an inch of his life! Took me 20 years but I wrote a book about what y'all know as - Reddit He also shared this with Paul Fitzgerald who told him he already knew this.But it's not true. Along with Zamora's book {of whom he is highly critical} and John Baer's wife's book, it is gold dust for seeing the jury's perspective. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst delivered the bicycle between 6:30 and 7:00. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrived. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . Since Reeve was a CIA agent posing as a hippie, he would have been among the hippies in the van. I have to confess to a certain amusement at the personages you drag out to lend credence to your theories of the moment. Your own personal encyclopedia or something you had published? Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968.Tom O'Neill writes:But when had Moorehouse taken up residence in the Cielo Home? Anyone that engages with me should by now know that at the very least, notwithstanding my style and sense of humour {or lack thereof !} Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Going back to the point about Whitson suggesting the memory of Manson being the one that Sharon looked at that day back in March '69, Hatami has always been consistent ~ he has no recollection of ever seeing Manson in the flesh. What I'm getting at is that so many people have said so many things over the years and so often, information has been confused, mis-stated, misconstrued and people have projected something as fact when there has been no evidence to support it or any finding of proof. "I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and after. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrivedAnd got in a quick call to Hatami !Well, for 50 years, we've had a sackful of those that were "supposed" to be at Cielo that night. We don't the degree of his involvement or guilt. "ThanksMario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. Krenny later testified that she was sure the American Flag on the sofa wasn't there during the murders.And the scene was littered with marijuana and cocaine, even though no residues of those drugs were found in the body fluids of the dead.I am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion. hb`````fc`e`-bb@ ! 00 10(tl "pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. Even Sharon Tate's father, Paul Tate, was a former Colonel in Military Intelligence and conducted his own investigation. The son of an actress and a circus acrobat, Whitson enters our story when Tom O'Neill has Whitson phone Hatami early that Saturday morning we all know so well before anyone else discovered the bodies up on Cielo. He could not have been there prior to the dinner engagement at the El Coyote, otherwise he would joined Sharon, Jay, Wojtek and Abigail.The time of departure to the restaurant is tied to the delivery of Abigails bicycle by Dennis Hurst. They could have played a part ranging from major to minor.We know that Reeve Whitson was an investigator of some sort. A police report said that Bobby and Harvey were hippies, users of drugs, and car thieves. "I agree. What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? When Reeve starting working for the CIA is unknown. Have a nice evening!!! That is how I was able to write a 1200 page encyclopedia on Manson, etc. And whenever this 'someone' is challenged to back up whatever cryptic utterances they gush forth, they just utter more of the same and bring in other cases not remotely connected.Yeah, I'm sceptical !So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? EL-KABONG! He was very, very helpful. 2) in the early 1960s, Reeve Whitson was a Business Manager for a publishing /photography company in Paris that gave him a proper cover for his intelligence operations in Europe . He was a big talker and might have been a bit of Colonel Flagg type, but there is no doubt he had a lot of connections.How Whitson got so close to Bugliosi is strange and helped put pressure on Hatami. Take a person (Krenwinkel) with an IQ just barely in the 3 digits to begin with and add in the hallucinogens, pot and babblings of a man she's in love with (Manson) and you've got a woman operating on a bowl of porridge for brains, katie8753 said "I've gotta say, I agree with Mon on this one. He GAVE his daughter to Manson. ONeill also was given access to never-before-seen documents showing that DeCarlo said that Melcher made three visits to Spahn Ranch after the murders and spoke with Manson. There is a lot more here that doesn't add up. Ridgeway was an asshole, there was a great part during his trial where one of his victims father's stands up in open court and forgives him and Gary breaks down weeping uncontrollably, it's heartbreaking on both sides, Beauders in an interesting twist to the Ridgeway/Green River case detectives Dave Riechert and Bob Keppel went to Florida to interview Ted Bundy since alot of his victims were in the same area and killed in similar ways, this was fairly early in the case in 1984 and one of the first things Bundy recommended was staking out a fresh dump site and watch it for a few days and that Ridgeway would be back to interact with the corpse which was one of the hallmarks of Bundy's crimes and was also exactly what Ridgeway was doing. Whether he still worked for the CIA, who knows. He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. His lead investigator was a man (allegedly) named Reeve Whitson, who the CIA said they could neither confirm nor deny he ever worked for them. His mother was a dancer and his father was a world-renowned acrobat. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidPlease check-out the comments from this blog-post "leave-something-witchy" pertaining to comments by myself, Bobby, & Ms Katie regarding "The Construction Site"I did read that at the time. How did O'Neill get the transcript to the book, I heard Debra had it? Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties In fact, did he even mention the Family ? When they got to Cielos gate, he started asking weird questions about the cars in the lots. Reeve John Whitson 1924 1994 Indiana California Reeve John Whitson, 1924 - 1994. He gave him a piano. There are a number of people mentioned, for example in that first Tate police report, many of whom were involved in the investigation whom we never hear of again. Did Statman swipe it from Lt Deemer when she stole all the other stuff from his house? endstream endobj 78 0 obj <>/Metadata 16 0 R/Outlines 28 0 R/PageLabels 73 0 R/Pages 75 0 R/StructTreeRoot 29 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 79 0 obj <. It should have been MPK 308. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. Friday, September 6, 2019 Reeve Whitson William writes: In Tom O'Neill's book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties we learn about Reeve Whitson, a CIA agent disguised as a hippie. ..the housekeeper* told me, "That flag has always been here. Did he mention Tex ? He had a reason to believe something weird was about to happen at the [Tate] house. Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. I am also considered an information hoarder. Whenever I went over to Sharon's and I'd see the flag there, I'd tell her it wasn't right. He was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski. "I don't know. Her story has changed more than once. Reeve Whitson: Builder, Seller, and Driver of Race Cars That sounds like a made up name. I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo houseAnd he didn't report this to the Police ? HA HA HA!! I agree Beauders. Reeve Whitson passed away at age 63 years old on October 25, 1994. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? Sometimes, it's actually worth following theories to a logical conclusion. What kind of honest, upstanding man does that with his daughter?If you want to point fingers at child molesters, go ahead, but I think a special finger should be pointed at a father who farms his own daughter out to child molesters!! Has anyone ever heard of it?According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circle. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. Because the CIA wanted to make the hippie movement look bad in the public eye. This is a bit off topic. "pg203John Irvin, British film director: "Whitson had very good connections with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office. He got a call at 7 a.m. on Aug. 9, 1969 from an acquaintance named Reeve Whitson, whom Hatami described as a "mystery man." O'Neill found this characterization was universal among Whitson's. He absolutely did not. He didn't molest his daughters, he was supposedly so protective of Ruth Ann that he originally set out to kill Charlie after hearing about her joining up with the group, as far as the acts on a child under 14 if they're true he deserved a beating within an inch of his life but at the same time you'd have to do the same to Melcher, Wilson, Jakobsen, Manson, Deasy, Polanskis, etc, etc, etc. About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. That clears things up. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOURE A POSER. This will always be among the alternatives greatest weakness ~ plus the sheer number allied with the non existence of hard corroborative evidence. "*Winifred Chapman, presumably.Greg King's book quoting BUGLIOSI : Mrs CHAPMAN told police investigators that it had simply been placed on the back of the couch as a decorative touch a few weeks earlier .Sharon Tate Remembered by Sheila WellsThe red, white and blue nursery colors reminded me of reading about the murder scene and how there was an American flag draped over Sharon's sofa. He probably didn't mention his Mum or his son but it doesn't mean they weren't in his mind. O'Neill's information on Whitson provides strong support for the proposition that military and intelligence agencies were involved in the Tate LaBianca murders, bringing the CIAs Phoenix program of assassination and torture of Vietnamese non-combatants home to America. It's a matter of public record, I've seen the court documents but I don't remember where, I think those were the same charges Dean and Tex borrowed Melchers car to drive to court for. He might have been seated between Jay & Sharon at dinner, being BFF's with them and all.But then, he was Gone With the Wind.Sorry guys, I'm having a hard time believing that someone with super powers like this mysterious guy was so very close to Sharon & Jay, yet did nothing to prevent their murders. And this has been going on since the start of 2017. It seems that every time someone new "writes a book" they come up with all kinds of things that have never been thought of. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. Reeve finally returned home late that night, but never said where he was during the hours he was missing.Whitson told Frank Rosenfelt, former president and CEO of MGM, that he met Manson before the murders at Cielo Drive, and the murders could have been prevented, but no one in law enforcement would listen to him. Ill bet Sanders is correct. McGann was nearly certain that Whitson was in the CIA, and found him "very credible. Maybe Whit Reeveson is like an imaginary friend. Did CIA use LSD to create Charles Manson's madness? I'm pretty sure the last time Doris was in the house was for the watching of the moon landing but I do remember her saying it was there though I highly doubt it was upside down like the pics from Aug 9 show, I can't imagine that would be too cool with Col Paul lol, Just as a general statement regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took HUNDREDS of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etc. For some it was possibly a fascinating exchange because as is your wont, you tend to be a great promoter of intrigue and mystery and you have a way of seeming like you have some dynamite for demonstration..but it never explodes. ONeill got a lot of help for his book from Stephen Kay. William Garretson claimed that on the afternoon of August 8 while hitchhiking back to Cielo, some guy dressed as a hippie, picked him up. As I said on the other blog, the other day I hate Bittaker with a passion. Chapters are as followed: Prologue The Crime of the Century An Aura of Danger The Golden Penetrators The Holes in Helter Skelter Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office Who Was Reeve Whitson? Reeve Whitson was born March 25, 1931. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Thanks, Grim, for giving us the testimony. Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. Another to identify | SlotForum Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . The funniest thing is "Whitson" knows about the murders a full hour before Chapman and who is the first person he tells? He's mentioned in the trial, and was known to have worked with Paul Tate post murders. Why would a person working in a top-secret division of the CIA give his real name and identity out to almost everyone? 7 Mind-Blowing Things We Learned From Joe Rogan's Charles Manson We don't always agree on things but this guy spent what 25 years on this and this crap is all he came up with? While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. The Hatami incident would not have taken on such magnitude for them {other than the fact that Bugliosi tried to use it to establish that Manson had seen Tate and vice versa} if Tex and Charlie had been such regular visitors while a Family accolyte actually lived there. Good to see you back, Grim!Now that your posting again, maybe you can put up Hatamis testimony on Whitson. Good to see you!! Multiple people told O'Neill that Whitson was an intelligence agent infiltrating Manson's group as well as the entire Laurel Canyon milieu. Someone you don't know, ostensibly on the other side of the world, appears and starts making claims about "HAPPENINGS" at "SPAHN RANCH" when some bikers hung up there at the same time a group of people that spawned a number of murderers. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi? My friend's father was an ACE pilot who could supply anything covert. Well Grim, your fan club is calling. It's not like the Moorehouse affair which is plain wrong. I traced Whitson online. But SMOOOCH to you!!!! According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circleDoesn't this contradict your belief though ? In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. (as well as Cointelpro and CHAOS agents provocateurs). The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only onesSounds like there was quite a queue just waiting to off a pregnant actress, a coffee heiress, a barber and awell, Wojiciech.starviego said O'Neill cites an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for Whitson's presence in the sceneNot only are they not impressive, you're kind of being rather evangelastic there, with the stretching, old pal. All be told I love a conspiracy book. A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. It was a huge deal here in the Northwest. My opinion was Charles Manson was not very good at all.So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap Podcast Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA According to author Tom O'Neill, Hatami first shared his Charlie encounter story with possible CIA agent Reeve Whitson. I found Whitson to be the most interesting of the characters that O'Neill presented. "Sorry Starviego, this all sounds like nonsense to me. Tate said Reeve was very, very helpful in Tates private investigation. Either way it's impressive. But you can get some meaty details right here. ), Whitsons wife (not exactly an objective witness), Linda Ruby a cousin of Whitsons (again, not objective), 2 detectives working on the TLB case who are desperate to find ANY motive in a case that appears to have none EXCEPT drugs and robbery, and a British film director claiming Whitson had "very good connections with LASO" along with thousands of other people in LA, If the FBI or CIA allowed the murders of 5 adults and one full term unborn baby to happen while supposedly surveilling the scene there would be an uprising in this country the likes of which haven't been seen since the Civil War. I wonder where Moorehouse got a baby grand. None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. He didn't apply for it. J. Edgar Hoover's directive to his agents said this: 1. Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties Reeve Whitson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images Shortly after his arrival, the town became the epicenter of a shocking event that almost wrecked the Democratic Party's effort to win back the White House. It's a natural conclusion to draw the he was probably watching Cielo for Folger and became friends with the group for that reason. Retweets. She'd nod and say she knew, but that Gibby and Voityck thought it was very funny. William "Rip" Robertson - Wikipedia In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . The Zodiac Killer and the CIA An agent for the Central Intelligence Agency moved into a dairy and cotton farming community of 4500 people situated within the San Joaquin Valley of California. I'm currently reading it and it is fantastic, notwithstanding the spelling and punctuation errors and wrong dates here and there. If the man had any relationship with the US government, he'd have had health coverage. There are a lot of unanswered questions here. Whitson was apparently an enigmatic figure, but counted among his friends a large segment of Hollywood and business. The first car he asked about was Abigail's. I've used it myself. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book? "Speaking of Linkletter, Whitson introduced them to the more famous father:A Strange and Wild Place, by Sandra Macpherson c.2004pg211"Alistair and his wife had come across Reeve while they were in America, and were introduced to well-respected and known individuals, who were also caught up in Reeve's vision. Knowing that his son was going to 10050 Cielo Drive the night before and because of reports that one of the bodies was unidentified (Steve Parent), his worried father called the police. Did you come down on your own?A: No, I have been called by his office to come downQ:Who was present when you were shown the photographs?A:Mr. Reeves WitsonQ:And Mr. Bugliosi?A:And Mr. BugliosiQ:And yourselfA:And myselfQ:And no one else?A:No one elsebeauders saidwhere have you been?Oh, just lurking for a while. Sheilah nodded. Maybe he was there during Sharon's lunch with friends but nobody saw him because he moved too fast. What is the general opinion of Robert Linkletter as a suspect? Study the case properly, arm yourself with information that is there and you will see why he was not sent back to prison. Just read Joseph Trento's book, SECRET HISTORY OF THE CIA.Reeve Whitson was involved with the TLB case. Reeve Whitson Profiles - Facebook He mentioned him once. TY, https://zodiackilleridentified.com/2021/07/. More on Reeve Whitson - Zodiac Killer Identified But your opinion isn't the one that counted circa '67~'69. I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedanticYeah, I can see that. He saw Reeve later that night.Since Reeve Whitson was at the house the night before the murders, when was he there? Chapter 6 - Who Was Reeve Whitson? He was living with all kinds of people because he didn't want to work and earn a living. Kay told him that Manson and Watson had been to the Cielo house when Terry Melcher and Candace Bergen were there. The LAPD wanted to tie the murders to drug dealers who might have had a motive for murdering Frykowski. To keep it short, there was a CIA agent named Reeve Whitson in the Tate-Polanski circle who might have been known to the Manson family as well.